Just another reason why we need to teach all of our students to be multi-lingual. We need to start young. When they are in pre-K. It’s good for our society and for children’s brains.
An interesting quote from the article, “But much of the United States is looking more like Garden City. New census figures show more than one-third of the people in the United States are non-white and a staggering 47 percent of the population under the age of 5 are a minority.”
Forty-seven percent doesn’t sound like a minority. Neither does 33 percent. So when do we stop considering people part of a “minority”? And when will our government leaders and corporate leaders be more representative of our society?
One day, we’ll all be the same color, and then perhaps we’ll focus more on our sameness.
This made me think of a funny feature they had on the Daily Show the other day:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=226610&title=white-in-america-the-children
Thx, lalibertina. Funny clip! I LOVE the Daily Show. Everyone’s a target…
We need to keep affimative action and upgrade it to ensure that whites now receive the benefits of affimative action now that more and more counties are becoming the minorities. Whites now need to be protected under affimative action.
This is news. Blacks (which is what you mean when you say “minorities”, of course)
have been in the majority of urban areas for quite some time now. You ladies that run CNN seem fixated with race. Please try to see if you can do a positive piece on anglo-americans, who are still a hard working, patriotic, tax paying, get-up-&-go-to-work-everyday bunch of fine folks, who are going to foot the bill for Obama’s tax hikes for years to come & continue to fight for our freedom on foreign soil at a staggering per capita rate.
Why is learning multiple languages good for society? Maybe we should teach children about all religions so they’ll be more understanding of others? Unless of course you only advocate tolerance when it comes to race/linguistics and not to religion.
Funny you should mention that. Being agnostic, I am TOTALLY for teaching all religions/belief systems! So I’m on board with you there.
Hooray…NOT! Many try to spin it and sell it, saying that “it’s racial diversity”, it’s great for the country, its so special to have them come here to work.
Many of them ( a much greater percentage, than the whites they displace, come from other countries, refuse to even attempt to learn our language in our country. They are 55% more likely to be involved in criminal activity, and 67% more likely to become involved in a street gang. Also, the BS about “oh they will do jobs we wont do doesn’t hold water. Anyone losing your house because your unemployed? You could be employed, but people from other countries got it first.
Bottom line is this. If they want to come here fine. They should not be taking tax payers money in the form of welfare and food stamps, they should not be allowed to have the huge families of up to 10 or 12 kids many of them have, They should not think that its ok to treat us with disrespect, by not learning the damn language, and by criminal activity, which is far greater now than it has ever been in Finney County and other places where this has happened. I believe all men are created equal, but that all men should be entitled to have a home. They had one and left it to become a guest in ours. They need to realize we were here first, and just have the decency to not take advantage. ( not learning the language, reaping taxpayer money with welfare and umpteen kids.) If this continues, we won’t have a country left.
Vet4life–Where are you getting your information from? Do you have anything to support your claims of “umpteen” kids and welfare? Just wondering because I don’t see/hear/read the same thing. And who is “they” and “them” you refer to? Thanks.
Maybe it’s just me – but weren’t Native Americans here first? I don’t recall anyone trying to learn their language or respect their land
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Yes. Agreed.
If it is hard to be a minority because they are so oppressed. Why are whites allowing themselves to become one. The politicians are greedy and selling out white America. There is not enough jobs and resources to keep letting third world immigrants in. They have limits on how many whites Europeans can come in now. A third world America will be just that, so long to our empire. All empires come to an end, and are usually destroyed from within. Learn from history. African countries are worse off now than when they were under colonial rule. I’d say wake up white America but it is already too late. Their is no benefit for whites to become the minority. DUH!
Well dam, you can look here http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/sactestimony701.html
Or here:http://www.newsbatch.com/immigration.htm
oh and as for the welfare? look here.:http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html
I used very reliable sources such as The Center for Immigration studies.
Go educate yourself.
Eileen-The reality is that we Latinos are an unstoppable force, many of us are here to work hard and to practice our professions or trades or to put up businesses and we will be successful and we will help other latinos be thus also, because where we come from you learn at an early age which side your bread is buttered on, so face it, we are here to stay and white America will have to deal with it…VIVA LA RAZA!!!
To Lin you are right, Native Americans were here first. It is despicable what was done to them. What happened? They were pushed out in large part, and the White man that oppressed them did it in part by “out breeding” them, in other words, the Native American population became smaller, while the white population became larger. The Whites also brought many diseases that were new to the Native Americans and decimated them. Example : Small pox.
Having said that, 2 wrongs do not make a right. The Native Americans were not respected, not many had the decency to speak “their language. That is not a good reason for immigrants today to disrespect the people already here.. as I said 2 rights don’t make a wrong…so they can learn the language. If that was what it took to get on welfare, damn skippy they would learn it in a week.
Can you at least agree that America has only so many resources? There is a certain amount of everything from food to water, to housing. Have you heard of displacement? How is that fair to those of us already here? Listen to the news..this country has limited resources…
Miami, is that why I have seen latinos fly the mexican flag ABOVE the American flag? So patriotic of you… ooops wait a minute. This isn’t your Country. You are only here to leech from us… You know what happens to parasites don’t you? Butter your bread somewhere else.
Vet4life. I’m sure we can find quite a few disrespectful Americans. We have enough problems without being hostile towards others. If you’re going to comment, please be respectful. Here in Texas, we’re all Texans, no matter the shade of your skin or where you were born. Our lives here are temporary…and it doesn’t really matter what patch of earth your parents walked on.
Not hostile dam. And not racist either, so don’t even try to go there. hmm lets see.. perhaps I love the United States, and being willing to die to defend her. Are any of these immigrants/invaders willing to do the same for this country? If you like em so much, then you pay for them, who says I want to? Some of them ARE good decent people, but in the same vein, many are not. Let me ask you something. If it was up to you would you just turn the Country over to whoever wanted it, knowing that may mean all that fought and died to make this Country what it was, with Freedoms, and everyone doing there fair share, would have died in vain. Yeah I bet you would. The founding Fathers are probably rolling in there graves… seeing this country being taken over. It will soon be just a extension of Mexico… how nice for the Mexican people, how sad for the ones that built the infrastructure and all that America is, or at least was!
I’m waiting for Dam to reply to vet’s statistics…
If I understand your most recent comment, vet, you refer to all latinos as “invaders”, seemingly without regard to whether they’re legal residents or citizens. And you also assume that they’re all Mexicans. But we aren’t allowed to think you might be at all racist, zenophobic, or hostile in any way.
Your anti-Mexican rant is just the latest in a long history of rants targeting one particular ethnic group or nationality as the group that is defiling us and bringing our grand nation down. It’s been the dirty Irish, the Italians, the Polacks, the Puerto Ricans.
Somehow, I have a feeling our founding fathers would be pretty excited to see the nation they founded as an experiment 220 years ago is still thriving and is still able to expand to accommodate all people who come to our shores seeking the promise of freedom.
Great comment, Sarah. Thanks.
Hey dam…you questioned vets sources…you going to address them?
Sarah, you suppose that I have hatred for anyone that is Latino, or is not white. That is so far from the truth. What upsets me is not the color of a persons skin, or even where they came from. We all had to come from somewhere, thats fine.
What is a real threat to this nation, is the fact that We have X amount of food, X amount of natural resources, X amount of public services. If people from Mars come in droves and use that all up, then its basically our fault for allowing it. When we are left with a withered and dried up Country stripped of its finite resources ( Not ALL resources are renewable), Then the people that were living here before that happened get the fecal coated end of the stick dont they?
If anyone from ANY country, and of ANY skin color wants to be a American, I say let them be one. But not so fast. They need to contribute. 1. Pay taxes ( statistics show many immigrants DO NOT PAY taxes.) GOOGLE IT. They should serve in the military and be willing to fight for this country. WHY? If it’s good enough to come here and live and declare that they want a better life, then its good enough to defend against enemies. How many of you have taken a Oath to defend the Constituition of the United States against all threats FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC? Well, if immigrants ( those that plan to live here, make this there home, had to serve, then they would take that oath. Those that don’t believe in that oath, need to go back home. Simple as that. Those that do not want to contribute to society, but would rather cause damage to it, they can leave too. Simple as that. I hope you think that this country is worth defending Sarah, and I hope you don’t think that Immigrants should be exempt from that duty. MOST DO NOT do this. Sure there are a few examples of some that have, but they are a minority. They just I know you guys want a utopia, but reality is that the united states can only support so many people. Thats just the facts. Only so many people will fit in a room, before being in that room will become undesirable. Its a big country, but even it has its limits.
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
This report is three years old and the numbers have gone up.
I hear you Vet4life63. You must be a Californian yourself, imformative stats. Very clear to us, I wonder what the rest of the U.S. thinks. I’ve seen far too many 16 year olds with anchor babies, guess that’s why there’s so many Latinos under 5 now. I don’t know how much more the system can take, but when the free lunch runs out, which won’t be long, I’m sure immigration of both legal and illegal will slow. Hell, might even start going the other direction, lol. No offence to the many hard working, legal Mexicans who are citizens and contribute to our culture, but to the other non working illegals I can’t be as welcoming. For the reasons stated in Vet’s post. Now I’ll wait for the usual response, but please use English as I speak no Spanish. We are an English speaking country, not bi-lingual as some would have us believe. Thankyou.
Wow you libs sure love pointing the racism finger, but if it was any non-white peoples standing up for their countries, or their cultural values, you’d be supporting them 100%! The anti-white racism has gotten to such a ridiculous point that these liberals who think theyre the least ignorant people there is, dont even realize how racist they are being themselves. Why should we accept an end of our culture and start learning other languages? What is the logic in that? Theres nothing racist about that, its just normal to want to preserve your own culture, or at the very least be shown some respect from other peoples IN OUR OWN COUNTRIES. So, that aside Dam, what is your opinion on immigration to Europe? Are those whites also racist for not wanting immigration to their native lands? If so, does that make Native Americans and Africans and other peoples who fought colonialism racist? O_o
Hi infowarrior,
You assume that, because someone is tolerant, they are liberal. I don’t believe that is unique to liberal or conservatives or moderates.
Many countries have issues with racism–and always have. (Do you recall that this was recently the subject of a UN conference?)
Being “white” or “non-white” makes no difference. People of all shades can be racist.
I think you know that colonialism is not the same as embracing a diverse culture How did you get here infowarrior? Did you single-handedly conquer this country? Or was it just pure chance that you were born in the US? Why should you decide what the people who live here should look like? Where were your great, great grandparents born?
Just to clarify that I am not condoning those who come here illegally. But I don’t think that’s the focus here anyway.
One more thing, infowarrior. It’s funny that you mention colonialsim. Then you probably think the US doesn’t belong in Iraq, right? We shouldn’t be forcing our type of gov’t and our ways on others, right?
Yes, you are correct we dont belong in Iraq, but Im not sure what the point you are trying to make is. You also failed to respond to anything in my comment, and just continued with your liberal rhetoric (im gonna assume you are a lib since you refrained from denying it). In fact you are the one saying liberals are tolerant, and assuming Im not tolerant. I am well aware all shades can be racist, but once again, irrelevant to anything i said. Also the UN meeting is a complete joke, as most non-white countries dont have massive immigration, and they of course did not mention the rampant anti-white racism that you and many others continue to support. You also prove your racism with the comment “I think you know that colonialism is not the same as embracing a diverse culture” your basically implying that only white immigration is colonialism, and that whites arent a diverse culture that should be accepted. I dont blame people for resisting our immigration, so why should we be blamed for resisting massive immigration, especially with the statistics shown. You should really stop this pick and choosing on which things you want to respond to. And no there is no difference between colonialism and “embracing a diverse culture” other than you libs opinion. The Natives could have also chose to “embrace a diverse culture” from europe, but they saw that would lead to their downfall. Why dont you actually think about what I say instead of making very, very pointless comments that ignore almost everything in the previous posts.
And also, do you think most immigrants will “embrace a diverse culture”? Because by the looks of it they keep their own while ignorant people like you give up yours. Cultures willingly committing suicide is not natural, or logical, or beneficial to anyone. And the fact that you even think I would take anything from the UN (not to mention you citing their racism meetings helps my argument more than yours, because only whites are racist in the political arena) seriously, shows just how deluded your world view is.
As for the rhetoric about “was it pure chance you were born here blah blah” I’ll take that opinion and welcome open borders, when every other country does the same, but you see, no other countries do that, because its ok to be proud of your people and country, unless of course you are white and living in a white country, then we’re racist for not opening our borders? Do you think the Chinese or the Japanese or the Indians will ever open their borders to white immigration? Any massive immigration? You are deluded, really think about my questions this time and please answer intelligently
Dam, We Don’t belong in Iraq. All anyone here opposed to all this immigration is saying is: How do you think other Countries like China, or Russia, would like it if we came in mass and tried to replace there culture with our own? Oh and before you say well, the british did that sort of thing in Africa, or rave on about how the white man came and imposed himself on the Native Americans, I will make 2 points. 1. What the british did in Africa didn’t turn out to well now did it? Some of the Africans resisted, some didn’t and were placid about it. The African Countries that were placid or tolerant, were the ones that suffered the most at the brits hands. If you don’t believe that, then look it up, its forever a nasty footnote in history. I am 1/2 Native American, and 1/2 Norwegian. Now BOTH were here before the English settlers ever came. So my ancestors were here before the ancestors of 90% of the people that live in this country. Yes, what happened to the native Americans was wrong. It was Treacherous. Handing out small pox infested blankets to woman with little children.. Having said that, I will say this. You need to understand that, what we are having a problem with here is not “people of other skin color”. What we have a problem with here, is that if I were to say move to France, and if I were to refuse to learn the language, and then if I were to get a cocky little attitude with the Native french people, saying ha ha you cant stop me, my people ,” we are here to stay and The French will have to deal with it…VIVA LA RAZA!!! Oh and then, if I were to suck up on the French Govt Dole, I’m sure they would love me! Oh and then if I practiced my own culture and tried to replace there’s with mine, and also created greater social and economic problems than the French had before me and others of my kind showed up…the French would have one choice. Actually 2 choices. Take back there country, say no more of this, we want to keep our culture, or just concede and quit and let us take over. It is said that the United States will not fall from a war or from any outside force. It will fall from within, it will fall from a disenigration of values, from a Govt that no longer represents the people, but rather their own interests, and from too many people taking and not giving back.
Simply put, when you overburden any system, it collapses.
As for your Well where did your Grandparents come from theology, You also need to remember what the population was then. 1/3 of what it is now. Then there was room, but I’m afraid the inn is filling up. Somebody will have to sleep in the parking lot, and it isnt going to be me!
Do you know why they call the People now in there 80’s the greatest generation? The ones that fought and died in WW2? Compare that to whats happening now. How many of these immigrants would be willing to make that sacrifice? a few? A majority? Give me the basis for your answer.
One more thing dam.
“Vet4life–Where are you getting your information from? Do you have anything to support your claims of “umpteen” kids and welfare? Just wondering because I don’t see/hear/read the same thing. And who is “they” and “them” you refer to? Thanks.”
Did you take a look at the sources/links you requested and I provided to you? Seems, you were challenging me to provide proof of my claims. I provided the proof, did you bother to read it? Maybe you don’t see/hear/read the same thing because nobody ever presented it to you. Well now heres your big chance.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/sactestimony701.html
Or here:http://www.newsbatch.com/immigration.htm
oh and as for the welfare? look here.:http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html
I used very reliable sources such as The Center for Immigration studies.
How Nice!
More Stimulus Follies – Illegal Aliens Cash In while Veterans Get the Shaft Friday, Jan 30 2009
House Conservative Fund nhiemstra 3:09 pm
Here’s another interesting take on the Democrat-driven “stimulus package,” this time from my editor at FamilySecurityMatters.Org:
More Stimulus Follies – Illegal Aliens Cash In while Veterans Get the Shaft
by Pam Meister
During the 1700s and 1800s, immigrants who wanted to come to America were lured by the prospect of streets that were “lined with gold.” Well the streets may not have been lined with gold, but for those who had the will and desire to work hard, the possibilities for success were potentially endless.
The streets still are not lined with gold – but if Washington liberals get their way, the pockets of illegal aliens could be lined with taxpayer dollars. Part of the economic stimulus bill that was just passed by the House (except for House Republicans and 11 Democrats who voted against it), includes “tax credits” of $500 per person and $1,000 per couple. (Note: if the recipients pay no taxes, it’s not a credit, it’s a handout.) Apparently the wording specifically disqualifies “nonresident aliens” – Washington-speak for illegals – people with no Social Security numbers could still get the cashola:
Undocumented immigrants [liberal reporter-speak for illegals] who are not eligible for a Social Security number can file tax returns with an alternative number. A House-passed version of the economic recovery bill and one making its way through the Senate would allow anyone with such a number, called an individual taxpayer identification number, to qualify for the tax credits.
In other words, it doesn’t disqualify illegal aliens. Awesome. Why bother having borders anymore? We are no longer “fellow Americans,” we are “fellow citizens.” Brings to mind the French Revolution…we all know how that turned out.
Meanwhile, in the same bill – which, let’s be clear (to use a stock phrase from our Glorious Leader), isn’t a stimulus bill but just an excuse to broaden the influence of government – five pro-veteran amendments were shot down in committee. They included veteran work force training, small business loans to veterans, increased vocational training for veterans and job training for homeless female veterans and homeless veterans with children. One of the amendments didn’t even cost anything – it simply stipulated that any roads or bridges paid for with “stimulus money” would be named for a U.S. armed forces member killed in action.
So while illegal aliens can have a shot at what has turned from the American Dream into the Great American Handout, amendments that would have actually helped boost employment and help veterans at the same time were shot down.
How often to we hear liberals crying that they support the troops, even when they don’t support the mission? How about the children? “It’s for the children” is a phrase that we often hear when the government is about to blithely spend more of our money – the S-CHIP program is a prime example. So why say no to veterans with children? Add the fact that this will help some homeless veterans, the homeless being another favorite liberal special interest group, and it should have been an instant winner.
To be perfectly frank, the entire stimulus bill stinks to high heaven. Rush Limbaugh calls it the “porkulus” bill, which is a lot more accurate. It passed easily through the House and will undoubtedly pass through the Senate. But as long as we’re spending the money, it would have been nice if those who had served our nation would benefit instead of those who sponge off our nation.
Pass the ketchup. This bill will need a lot to make it palatable.
Pam Meister is the editor of FamilySecurityMatters.org.
Vet4Life63. I would respond to your statistic, but we have to use reputable sources here. You copied the above from a forum (see here: http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=84455). I did a search for this data on the FBI site. Not one of your “facts” are there.
Before we can have a serious debate about this topic, we have to use information from a reputable source, not numbers thrown out there by a ranting conservative.
The truth is, illegals have a positive and negative impact on this country. (See NPR here, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5312900)
But our debate isn’t about illegals. It’s about people who are here legally, but who are non-white. What is so bad about that?
You make a lot of poor assumptions, infowarrior, like here: (im gonna assume you are a lib since you refrained from denying it). You assume that I’m not proud of my country, you assume that I condone illegals.
Let’s have a logical discussion here and stop stereotyping. The original post was not about illegals. If you read the post, it was only stating that parts of the US are now majority non-white. Why is this a threat to you?
Vet4Life63. There was nothing to support your argument in the Center for Immigration Studies article. It was fairly staight-forward, with the crux of the paper being this: “By increasing the size of the U.S. population, immigration policy may unavoidably require more and more regulations on the daily lives of Americans.”
OK. That’s common sense. Yes, immigration has added to our population and we need policies to address this.
The Newsbatch was a good article on the pros and cons of immigration, and I thought it was fairly balanced. Immigrants both add advantages and disadvantages. Again, we’re not really talking illegals, but here is some interesting info. Your article states, “the subject dominates conservative-oriented talk radio.” Hmmmm. And here: Despite public sentiment, there appear to be powerful moneyed interests which support the present system which provides a steady, compliant, low wage labor force in an economy that has a low level of unemployment. ”
What that tells us is the people who own businesses and have the money, are perpetuating this system. Your article states,
“The stark reality is that the illegal immigration situation could be resolved very quickly through simple enforcement of existing legislation.”
But it isn’t. Because the people who benefit most from illegal help, from cheap labor, don’t want to enforce the laws.
Again, putting aside all the conservative rantings, Meister is speaking about illegals. We’re talking about minority populations surpassing caucasion in some areas of the US…Not to worry, though, caucasion men still have a strong-hold in Congress (and they make the laws you complain about).
You know when we hear Rush Limbaugh, we’re talking fair and balanced….
I don’t think it matters which side of political spectrum you fall on, no one wants wasteful spending or socialism. (Of course, some fail to see that Iraq is one big social program…). You want roads to drive on, a big military, anti-abortion policies…these things are going to cost. But, again, this is not what the original post was about.
Its plain to see that mosr of the koolaid drinkers are using tap water to mix in the sweet tangy power. I say tap water cause sodium floride is a cousin chemical of prozac. That is why people in this country have grown disingenuious to the fact that we are being taken over by a cunning enemy. Called New World Order. 9/11 was their kick off party. get it, you dont go along with what they want then you get terrorism. Just like the jews give out. cause the real jews would never have pulled a 180 and started to do as the Natzis have done to them as they do to the palistinians. Look into the eyes of your furrur Barack hussain obama who happnes to be only 6.3% black african by his own dna sequence,and the fake birth citificate that he showed couldnt get him a passport b4 he was a polatition. this man is a fraud he cannot possibly be our persident cause his aunt said in her first interview that she watched him being born in nirobie Africa. Of course that statement has been deleted from all web sites. Ever watch the matrix the movie ? I identifiy with jesus christ being the one to distroy satins sociaty based on money and influince and death. wich they the freemasons skull and bones, bulderberg, club of rome, cfr,trilateral comission,councel on forieng relations,IMF, bank of london,federal reserve bamk, half the senate half the congress are some of the few groups that are Eugenic poineers and social engineers. If you dont know what eugenics is then look it up. Ask why melamine is in the baby formula and rocket fuel. ask why we cannot escape the contaminated water suply laced with pharmicuticals and toxic poisons that have been shown to drop a persons IQ by 20 points. They dont want people to be wise enough to figure it out I guess. If thomas jefferson and george washington had an IQ test then they would rival some of the smartest men alive. That is why we need to abandon the coulor of law that we currently practice instead of following the simply writen constitution of the united states. I dont care if homosexual offends them its my right to say as I please if I so choose and if I cant spell say something Dont be affraid . Its your right too. We need to stop being such cowards and man up to the fact that we will be our own distruction to our nation. stop the horing practices of the latino people who thinks its normal to dress like they are tricking on the cornnerat 12. I cant even shop for my children some normal clothes that dont show their fledling chests off and thighs I dont want a 18 yr old stairing at my 12 yr old girl cause their is no decent clothes .
Dam, After the chastising you give infowarrior for “assuming you are a liberal”, you seem to assume that all of the sources I provided to you are Conservative rantings. In this way you can discount them as “credible” sources, unless of course the views expressed coincide, with the view you have on the subject. In short, the reason you don’t see the whole picture, is because you prefer to look at only one side of the coin, the side that fits in with your nice and tidy, utopian world. You know the one, the world where everyone tolerates everyone elses trespasses agains them, wars, are never fought over a right to exist, and not to be changed, invaded, or threat to a nations soverignity. In your world, I suppose the 2nd admendment would be disallowed, nobody needs a gun except for criminals and cops, cops because its ok, and criminals, because they will always find a way to get a gun, they are criminals, so they break the law… hence a law saying no guns would just be another law to break. Meanwhile, they of course being armed, and there victims being unarmed, they could have there way with someone you love, and kill and rape, without the fear of being stopped. ah, utopia isnt it grand! Of course, open borders would be the plan, lets funnel as many people into this country as we can so the melting pot can overflow. Instead of immigrants teacheing THERE kids english at a young age, you’d like to see us, LEARN THERE LANGUAGE, after all, we should strive to make them more comfortable so more would come. After we get enough of them here, then what? Cant you see that there is a limit to anything?
Ok, going to give you a scenario. Suppose you, your family, and a few friends are living on a Island of about 1/2 square mile. You are all doing fine, have your own rules and laws, grow your own food and so on. Now lets suppose some people from XYZ country show up, wanting to live on your island. You, agree, saying so cool, maybe we can learn something from them, and we can become a melting pot. So they tell there friends, and more show up. Pretty soon, you went from a poulation of 20, to a population of 50. Thats alot of people for a island that small, but you want to make them all feel welcomed. Now out of the 30 new immigrants, 5 refuse to work, but demand and expect to be fed. You can barely grow enough food if everyone does there share. But these 5 say ” we shouldn’t have to work, we are ENTITLED. so being a good person, you say, well heck, we still should feed them, we cant let nobody starve. Well, then they start having babies. You love babies, so you help them out anyway you can. 10 new babies are born that year. only 1 is from your family, the rest are from the immigrants. The immigrants now out number you almost 2 to 1. 2 more decide they should be entitled, and refuse to work, claiming that there is no job for which I am suited for. They don’t want to work in the garden, gather coconuts, or help in new hut construction. They will just watch the kids, and everything will be fine. At this point, the resources on your tiny island are ever harder to get at, and sometimes there is barely enough to go around, but you believe all people should be welcomed. One day, the immigrants decide you should learn XYZ language and you should teach any kids you have XYZ language, because they prefer it over your language, and besides, you are in the minority now anyway. They also decide that since they like to eat raw fish, so you must, because if you dont then you are prejudice, and not accepting there culture. (all the while they are taking more and more of your culture away). So as this grand experiment called the island continues, they have more and more children, meanwhile you have about the same, 1 or 2 are born to the first group of 20 that was originally there. Well 5 years later there is now a island population of 111 people. 50 are adults, 61 are children. 25 belong to the original group ( your group) including 5 children. The new immigrants take up fully 2/3 of the island, and you find it increasing hard to find enough food to feed your children, and the rest of your family. you now have 11 immigrants refusing to work, and feeling entitled to be taken care of, and 19 that are good hard working people, so the majority do work. You now speak there language, eat raw fish as per there customs, and you have lost your identity, your culture, your living space and most of your resources to the immigrants. You remember back when you first arrived on the island with the 20 others, how it was barren, inhospitable, but you all pitched in together and put 2 hard grueling years in creating huts to live in, establishing a garden, and creating a infrastructure, which of course the new immigrants take for granted now, because it was already there, and all the better for them, because they can “use” what you have. Its crowded. resources are becoming a bigger and bigger problem. XYZ people seem to believe in families of no less than 5 or 6 kids per couple. Your family tends to stay within 1-3 children, just a diffrence in cultures. But hey, if you tell the non-working ones to work or else get out, or you tell them to slow down on having children, well your afraid, that makes you err..gulp… PREJUDICE and Rascist too. So you dont say anything, and over the next 5 years more and more immigrants come in, giving you things like diversity, doing the jobs you dont like to do, bringing you more cultural experiences, and also bringing in things like disease, famine ( your garden just wont feed everyone) , cramped and congested living space, a few of them have decided it is better to steal then to work, although it is only a “few” you for the first time now have to lock your hut at night…or risk it. you have socio-economic problems you never had before, you have lost your very idenity, its there culture that has become more important, because they are the majority, and unwilling to conform to the rules and standards you had. In short, your little island has been taken over, and not a shot was fired. You have been bred out, and your toleration of there customs, and there intolerance of your customs, has facilitated a further loss of your identity. Its as if you never existed, when you were just a group of 20 and had a dream. Those dreams died, and were cannibalized by the dreams of the immigrants. The kicker? They don’t even care!
I hate to admit it but I am the rule and NOT the exception.
I am a biracial woman. Am I considered a minority? I am part white. I am part Hispanic. I fit in both worlds and embrace them both. I speak Spanish. I speak English. I went to college. I have a degree.
My grandmother on BOTH sides of my family came here illegally. I would not be where I am, improving our life without the sacrifice she mad. I am proud to be American and I am proud of my multiethnic background.
My children will be biracial as well. Its been said time and time again – we are the new children of the United States. We will be the ones that will change the culture. Embrace the differences. Everyone is here to have a piece of the pie.
An no offense but it is widely known that Mexicans will do the jobs that everyone thinks they are too good to do. They work hard to be here. The work multiple jobs to get by. Give them a break. They just want to succeed like you do.
Vet4Life: In no place did I state that all the sources you gave me were “conservative rantings.” On the contrary, I thought some were pretty good. So, I’ve copied and pasted from below what I really said. Please read first before you assume:
Vet4Life63. There was nothing to support your argument in the Center for Immigration Studies article. It was fairly staight-forward, with the crux of the paper being this: “By increasing the size of the U.S. population, immigration policy may unavoidably require more and more regulations on the daily lives of Americans.”
OK. That’s common sense. Yes, immigration has added to our population and we need policies to address this.
The Newsbatch was a good article on the pros and cons of immigration, and I thought it was fairly balanced. Immigrants both add advantages and disadvantages. Again, we’re not really talking illegals, but here is some interesting info. Your article states, “the subject dominates conservative-oriented talk radio.” Hmmmm. And here: Despite public sentiment, there appear to be powerful moneyed interests which support the present system which provides a steady, compliant, low wage labor force in an economy that has a low level of unemployment. ”
What that tells us is the people who own businesses and have the money, are perpetuating this system. Your article states,
“The stark reality is that the illegal immigration situation could be resolved very quickly through simple enforcement of existing legislation.”
But it isn’t. Because the people who benefit most from illegal help, from cheap labor, don’t want to enforce the laws.
Vet4Life63. There was nothing to support your argument in the Center for Immigration Studies article. It was fairly staight-forward, with the crux of the paper being this: “By increasing the size of the U.S. population, immigration policy may unavoidably require more and more regulations on the daily lives of Americans.”
OK. That’s common sense. Yes, immigration has added to our population and we need policies to address this.
The Newsbatch was a good article on the pros and cons of immigration, and I thought it was fairly balanced. Immigrants both add advantages and disadvantages. Again, we’re not really talking illegals, but here is some interesting info. Your article states, “the subject dominates conservative-oriented talk radio.” Hmmmm. And here: Despite public sentiment, there appear to be powerful moneyed interests which support the present system which provides a steady, compliant, low wage labor force in an economy that has a low level of unemployment. ”
What that tells us is the people who own businesses and have the money, are perpetuating this system. Your article states,
“The stark reality is that the illegal immigration situation could be resolved very quickly through simple enforcement of existing legislation.”
But it isn’t. Because the people who benefit most from illegal help, from cheap labor, don’t want to enforce the laws.
Vet4Life: I was on the lake this weekend. It was pretty crowded. Around noon, I started telling newcomers, this is my lake, damn it. We don’t need no more stinkin’ people on it. What gave me the right? I was there first. It’s my water.
We’re not talking about illegal immigrants on this post (that’s for another post). We’re talking about populations that were previously considered minority. Like it or not, this country is made up of diverse cultures. At one time, you and I would have been a minority. “We” (whatever that means) were not here first. As long as people abide by the laws getting into our country and while living here, how can you and I decide who should be here or not? What gives a small sect of our population the right? We have collectively made these rules, and collectively, we abide. I’m sure you’d want the ability to live abroad, if your job should take you there.
So. Back to the original point of the post. The US is made up of diverse populations-it always has been-and we should teach our children to speak mulitple languages–as is done in other countries. It’s good for their brains. It’s a good idea if we want to raise kids who can compete in a global economy. And it’s “good will” here in the US.
Actually, piratepenpen, we’re always had biracial groups here. My mother is Italian and my father is a mutt. But we don’t complain about those folks. It just seems to be those who come from south of our border. Sorry to say. We’re selective in our prejudice here in the U.S. And it’s something we need to get over….
Dam, you interpret things the way you wish. Keep paying your taxes so you can support all the social welfare programs. Give up your rights in the name of “new policy to deal with immigration”.
Since you cant seem to read what i was pointing out, let me cut and paste it here for you, so that others can see it too.
When the results of the 2000 Census were released in January of this year, many people at the Census Bureau and elsewhere were surprised to learn that the U.S. population grew by 32.7 million people, the largest single-decade population increase in U.S. history. In fact, since 1980, the United States has added 55 million people to its population — the equivalent of the entire population of France. The United States is virtually the only advanced industrialized countries in its rate of population increase. What accounts for this extraordinary increase in population size? The facts are not really in dispute.
There is also no dispute ( its common sense) that at that continued growth rate, our resources will begin to run out. thats a no brainer.
The current numbers mean that about 40 percent of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population during the 1990s is directly attributable to the arrival of new immigrants. We know this simply by dividing 13 million (the number of new immigrants) by the total increase in the size of the U.S. population (32.7 million). If the figure is 14 million, the immigration impact is 43 percent. This is just simple division. In addition to their arrival in the United States, immigrants also cause population growth because, like all people, immigrants have children. During the 1990s, immigrant women gave birth to an estimated 6.9 million children.2 If we add together the number of births to immigrants and the number of new arrivals, then immigration during the 1990s is equal to 20 or 21 million or a little less than two-thirds of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population over the last 10 years. In a very real sense, immigration has become the determinant factor in U.S. population growth.
In other words, we are being bred out.
Sprawl and Congestion. If we accept the admittedly low projections discussed above, which indicate immigration will add 76 million people to the population over the next 50 years, it means that we will have to build something like 30 million more housing units than would otherwise have been necessary, assuming the current average household size. This must have some implications for worsening the problems of sprawl, congestion, and loss of open spaces, even if one makes optimistic assumptions about successful urban planning and “smart growth.” A nation simply cannot add nearly 80 million people to the population and not have to develop a great deal of undeveloped land.
This is what I have been trying to say!!!!! There is a limit to resources.
proof again: http://www.immigration-usa.com/immigrants_and_welfare.html
Which states:
Approximately 1.4 million immigrants receive AFDC or SSI payments totalling $4.5 billion annually. Their average monthly AFDC payment is $133; their average SSI payment is $407. Estimates using a more broadly defined package of benefits and counting benefits from state and local as well as federal sources indicate that immigrants receive approximately $25 billion annually in assistance benefits.
Your tax payer money hard at work folks!
Overall immigrant use of welfare has been rising, regardless of how “immigrant” and “welfare” are defined.
Lets go to America and then they will take care of us! ( can I come to your country and take your tax money?)
Immigrant use of welfare appears to correlate with national origin.
It is a statistic, a proven fact from the Research Perspectives on Migration, Vol. 1, No. 1, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace — International Migration Policy Project.
I never doubted that welfare use correlates with national origin. aww but you aren’t allowed to state the facts, lest you be labeled racist, or “politically incorrect”!
and this! http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html
which states: Even if the immigrant himself is not eligible because of legal status (illegals are barred from using most programs) or length of residence in the country (one of the conditions of welfare reform), immigrant families can still receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, whose welfare eligibility is the same as any other native-born American.
Viva la Anchor baby!!!
Not only do immigrants use welfare programs at higher rates than natives, their use of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is also substantially higher than that of natives. With an annual cost of $32 billion, the EITC is the nation’s largest means-tested cash assistance program for workers with low incomes. Persons receiving the EITC pay no federal income tax and instead receive cash assistance from the government based on their earnings and family size.
Question. If the above is true, and it apparently is, the data is derived from statistics, so it is pure fact, then who is going to pay for the welfare when immigrants become the vast majority, and the natives here, can no longer keep up? I mean we only have so much money we can give to them, only so much a native person can be taxed, to contribute to the welfare of the immigrants.
Figure 13 reports the average payment received by households using means-tested programs. With the exception of SSI, Figure 13 shows that the percentage of Mexican households using cash assistance programs and food stamps is somewhat larger on average than that of natives who use these programs. This is because payments for public assistance, food stamps, and the EITC typically reflect the number of people in the households. Because Mexican households are larger on average (primarily because of higher fertility), the size of their average payment is also larger. This means that not only are Mexican households more likely to use means-tested programs, the size of the payment they receive is larger on average.
Oh so they do have more children then we do, and they do use welfare and foodstamps much more than the natives ( are you paying attention dam?)Oh and by Natives I mean people that were already here, as in your grandfather raised your dad here.
high rates of welfare use by Mexican immigrants are not the result of a lack of work. Rather it stems from the fact that a large share of Mexican households have low-incomes and unstable employment histories and thus use a great deal of public services. This, of course, should come as no surprise given the very low skill level of a large share of Mexican immigrants
Dam says, we need more of that! Woo HOO, lets tear this country down ( hey at least we will all be in the same boat!)
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html is where I got most of the info. Thats the facts. I am pretty certain that if most Americans were made aware of these facts, there would be a hell of a outcry about it. Then we would only need to learn one language…our own.
Dam, you interpret things the way you wish. Keep paying your taxes so you can support all the social welfare programs. Give up your rights in the name of “new policy to deal with immigration”.
Since you cant seem to read what i was pointing out, let me cut and paste it here for you, so that others can see it too.
When the results of the 2000 Census were released in January of this year, many people at the Census Bureau and elsewhere were surprised to learn that the U.S. population grew by 32.7 million people, the largest single-decade population increase in U.S. history. In fact, since 1980, the United States has added 55 million people to its population — the equivalent of the entire population of France. The United States is virtually the only advanced industrialized countries in its rate of population increase. What accounts for this extraordinary increase in population size? The facts are not really in dispute.
There is also no dispute ( its common sense) that at that continued growth rate, our resources will begin to run out. thats a no brainer.
The current numbers mean that about 40 percent of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population during the 1990s is directly attributable to the arrival of new immigrants. We know this simply by dividing 13 million (the number of new immigrants) by the total increase in the size of the U.S. population (32.7 million). If the figure is 14 million, the immigration impact is 43 percent. This is just simple division. In addition to their arrival in the United States, immigrants also cause population growth because, like all people, immigrants have children. During the 1990s, immigrant women gave birth to an estimated 6.9 million children.2 If we add together the number of births to immigrants and the number of new arrivals, then immigration during the 1990s is equal to 20 or 21 million or a little less than two-thirds of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population over the last 10 years. In a very real sense, immigration has become the determinant factor in U.S. population growth.
In other words, we are being bred out.
Sprawl and Congestion. If we accept the admittedly low projections discussed above, which indicate immigration will add 76 million people to the population over the next 50 years, it means that we will have to build something like 30 million more housing units than would otherwise have been necessary, assuming the current average household size. This must have some implications for worsening the problems of sprawl, congestion, and loss of open spaces, even if one makes optimistic assumptions about successful urban planning and “smart growth.” A nation simply cannot add nearly 80 million people to the population and not have to develop a great deal of undeveloped land.
This is what I have been trying to say!!!!! There is a limit to resources.
proof again: http://www.immigration-usa.com/immigrants_and_welfare.html
Which states:
Approximately 1.4 million immigrants receive AFDC or SSI payments totalling $4.5 billion annually. Their average monthly AFDC payment is $133; their average SSI payment is $407. Estimates using a more broadly defined package of benefits and counting benefits from state and local as well as federal sources indicate that immigrants receive approximately $25 billion annually in assistance benefits.
Your tax payer money hard at work folks!
Overall immigrant use of welfare has been rising, regardless of how “immigrant” and “welfare” are defined.
Lets go to America and then they will take care of us! ( can I come to your country and take your tax money?)
Immigrant use of welfare appears to correlate with national origin.
It is a statistic, a proven fact from the Research Perspectives on Migration, Vol. 1, No. 1, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace — International Migration Policy Project.
I never doubted that welfare use correlates with national origin. aww but you aren’t allowed to state the facts, lest you be labeled racist, or “politically incorrect”!
and this! http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html
which states: Even if the immigrant himself is not eligible because of legal status (illegals are barred from using most programs) or length of residence in the country (one of the conditions of welfare reform), immigrant families can still receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, whose welfare eligibility is the same as any other native-born American.
Viva la Anchor baby!!!
Not only do immigrants use welfare programs at higher rates than natives, their use of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is also substantially higher than that of natives. With an annual cost of $32 billion, the EITC is the nation’s largest means-tested cash assistance program for workers with low incomes. Persons receiving the EITC pay no federal income tax and instead receive cash assistance from the government based on their earnings and family size.
Question. If the above is true, and it apparently is, the data is derived from statistics, so it is pure fact, then who is going to pay for the welfare when immigrants become the vast majority, and the natives here, can no longer keep up? I mean we only have so much money we can give to them, only so much a native person can be taxed, to contribute to the welfare of the immigrants.
Figure 13 reports the average payment received by households using means-tested programs. With the exception of SSI, Figure 13 shows that the percentage of Mexican households using cash assistance programs and food stamps is somewhat larger on average than that of natives who use these programs. This is because payments for public assistance, food stamps, and the EITC typically reflect the number of people in the households. Because Mexican households are larger on average (primarily because of higher fertility), the size of their average payment is also larger. This means that not only are Mexican households more likely to use means-tested programs, the size of the payment they receive is larger on average.
Oh so they do have more children then we do, and they do use welfare and foodstamps much more than the natives ( are you paying attention dam?)Oh and by Natives I mean people that were already here, as in your grandfather raised your dad here.
high rates of welfare use by Mexican immigrants are not the result of a lack of work. Rather it stems from the fact that a large share of Mexican households have low-incomes and unstable employment histories and thus use a great deal of public services. This, of course, should come as no surprise given the very low skill level of a large share of Mexican immigrants
Dam says, we need more of that! Woo HOO, lets tear this country down ( hey at least we will all be in the same boat!)
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html is where I got most of the info. Thats the facts. I am pretty certain that if most Americans were made aware of these facts, there would be a hell of a outcry about it. Then we would only need to learn one language…our own. Now that would be nice!
Why are you not allowing comments to be posted? I have posted 2 times to answer your last post, and alas, it wont post. hmmmmmm
Censorship perhaps? I will try to post what i wanted to post, if nothing comes after this post, then there is censorship indeed, ( so much for the 1st admendment folks)
Dam, you interpret things the way you wish. Keep paying your taxes so you can support all the social welfare programs. Give up your rights in the name of “new policy to deal with immigration”.
Since you cant seem to read what i was pointing out, let me cut and paste it here for you, so that others can see it too.
When the results of the 2000 Census were released in January of this year, many people at the Census Bureau and elsewhere were surprised to learn that the U.S. population grew by 32.7 million people, the largest single-decade population increase in U.S. history. In fact, since 1980, the United States has added 55 million people to its population — the equivalent of the entire population of France. The United States is virtually the only advanced industrialized countries in its rate of population increase. What accounts for this extraordinary increase in population size? The facts are not really in dispute.
There is also no dispute ( its common sense) that at that continued growth rate, our resources will begin to run out. thats a no brainer.
The current numbers mean that about 40 percent of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population during the 1990s is directly attributable to the arrival of new immigrants. We know this simply by dividing 13 million (the number of new immigrants) by the total increase in the size of the U.S. population (32.7 million). If the figure is 14 million, the immigration impact is 43 percent. This is just simple division. In addition to their arrival in the United States, immigrants also cause population growth because, like all people, immigrants have children. During the 1990s, immigrant women gave birth to an estimated 6.9 million children.2 If we add together the number of births to immigrants and the number of new arrivals, then immigration during the 1990s is equal to 20 or 21 million or a little less than two-thirds of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population over the last 10 years. In a very real sense, immigration has become the determinant factor in U.S. population growth.
In other words, we are being bred out.
Sprawl and Congestion. If we accept the admittedly low projections discussed above, which indicate immigration will add 76 million people to the population over the next 50 years, it means that we will have to build something like 30 million more housing units than would otherwise have been necessary, assuming the current average household size. This must have some implications for worsening the problems of sprawl, congestion, and loss of open spaces, even if one makes optimistic assumptions about successful urban planning and “smart growth.” A nation simply cannot add nearly 80 million people to the population and not have to develop a great deal of undeveloped land.
This is what I have been trying to say!!!!! There is a limit to resources.
proof again: http://www.immigration-usa.com/immigrants_and_welfare.html
Which states:
Approximately 1.4 million immigrants receive AFDC or SSI payments totalling $4.5 billion annually. Their average monthly AFDC payment is $133; their average SSI payment is $407. Estimates using a more broadly defined package of benefits and counting benefits from state and local as well as federal sources indicate that immigrants receive approximately $25 billion annually in assistance benefits.
Your tax payer money hard at work folks!
Overall immigrant use of welfare has been rising, regardless of how “immigrant” and “welfare” are defined.
Lets go to America and then they will take care of us! ( can I come to your country and take your tax money?)
Immigrant use of welfare appears to correlate with national origin.
It is a statistic, a proven fact from the Research Perspectives on Migration, Vol. 1, No. 1, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace — International Migration Policy Project.
I never doubted that welfare use correlates with national origin. aww but you aren’t allowed to state the facts, lest you be labeled racist, or “politically incorrect”!
and this! http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html
which states: Even if the immigrant himself is not eligible because of legal status (illegals are barred from using most programs) or length of residence in the country (one of the conditions of welfare reform), immigrant families can still receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, whose welfare eligibility is the same as any other native-born American.
Viva la Anchor baby!!!
Not only do immigrants use welfare programs at higher rates than natives, their use of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is also substantially higher than that of natives. With an annual cost of $32 billion, the EITC is the nation’s largest means-tested cash assistance program for workers with low incomes. Persons receiving the EITC pay no federal income tax and instead receive cash assistance from the government based on their earnings and family size.
Question. If the above is true, and it apparently is, the data is derived from statistics, so it is pure fact, then who is going to pay for the welfare when immigrants become the vast majority, and the natives here, can no longer keep up? I mean we only have so much money we can give to them, only so much a native person can be taxed, to contribute to the welfare of the immigrants.
Figure 13 reports the average payment received by households using means-tested programs. With the exception of SSI, Figure 13 shows that the percentage of Mexican households using cash assistance programs and food stamps is somewhat larger on average than that of natives who use these programs. This is because payments for public assistance, food stamps, and the EITC typically reflect the number of people in the households. Because Mexican households are larger on average (primarily because of higher fertility), the size of their average payment is also larger. This means that not only are Mexican households more likely to use means-tested programs, the size of the payment they receive is larger on average.
Oh so they do have more children then we do, and they do use welfare and foodstamps much more than the natives ( are you paying attention dam?)Oh and by Natives I mean people that were already here, as in your grandfather raised your dad here.
high rates of welfare use by Mexican immigrants are not the result of a lack of work. Rather it stems from the fact that a large share of Mexican households have low-incomes and unstable employment histories and thus use a great deal of public services. This, of course, should come as no surprise given the very low skill level of a large share of Mexican immigrants
Dam says, we need more of that! Woo HOO, lets tear this country down ( hey at least we will all be in the same boat!) The founding fathers would weep.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html is where I got most of the info. Thats the facts. I am pretty certain that if most Americans were made aware of these facts, there would be a hell of a outcry about it. Then we would only need to learn one language…our own.
Dam, you interpret things the way you wish. Keep paying your taxes so you can support all the social welfare programs. Give up your rights in the name of “new policy to deal with immigration”.
Since you cant seem to read what i was pointing out, let me cut and paste it here for you, so that others can see it too.
When the results of the 2000 Census were released in January of this year, many people at the Census Bureau and elsewhere were surprised to learn that the U.S. population grew by 32.7 million people, the largest single-decade population increase in U.S. history. In fact, since 1980, the United States has added 55 million people to its population — the equivalent of the entire population of France. The United States is virtually the only advanced industrialized countries in its rate of population increase. What accounts for this extraordinary increase in population size? The facts are not really in dispute.
There is also no dispute ( its common sense) that at that continued growth rate, our resources will begin to run out. thats a no brainer.
The current numbers mean that about 40 percent of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population during the 1990s is directly attributable to the arrival of new immigrants. We know this simply by dividing 13 million (the number of new immigrants) by the total increase in the size of the U.S. population (32.7 million). If the figure is 14 million, the immigration impact is 43 percent. This is just simple division. In addition to their arrival in the United States, immigrants also cause population growth because, like all people, immigrants have children. During the 1990s, immigrant women gave birth to an estimated 6.9 million children.2 If we add together the number of births to immigrants and the number of new arrivals, then immigration during the 1990s is equal to 20 or 21 million or a little less than two-thirds of the nearly 33 million increase in the size of the U.S. population over the last 10 years. In a very real sense, immigration has become the determinant factor in U.S. population growth.
In other words, we are being bred out.
Sprawl and Congestion. If we accept the admittedly low projections discussed above, which indicate immigration will add 76 million people to the population over the next 50 years, it means that we will have to build something like 30 million more housing units than would otherwise have been necessary, assuming the current average household size. This must have some implications for worsening the problems of sprawl, congestion, and loss of open spaces, even if one makes optimistic assumptions about successful urban planning and “smart growth.” A nation simply cannot add nearly 80 million people to the population and not have to develop a great deal of undeveloped land.
This is what I have been trying to say!!!!! There is a limit to resources.
proof again: http://www.immigration-usa.com/immigrants_and_welfare.html
Which states:
Approximately 1.4 million immigrants receive AFDC or SSI payments totalling $4.5 billion annually. Their average monthly AFDC payment is $133; their average SSI payment is $407. Estimates using a more broadly defined package of benefits and counting benefits from state and local as well as federal sources indicate that immigrants receive approximately $25 billion annually in assistance benefits.
Your tax payer money hard at work folks!
Overall immigrant use of welfare has been rising, regardless of how “immigrant” and “welfare” are defined.
Lets go to America and then they will take care of us! ( can I come to your country and take your tax money?)
Immigrant use of welfare appears to correlate with national origin.
It is a statistic, a proven fact from the Research Perspectives on Migration, Vol. 1, No. 1, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace — International Migration Policy Project.
I never doubted that welfare use correlates with national origin. aww but you aren’t allowed to state the facts, lest you be labeled racist, or “politically incorrect”!
and this! http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html
which states: Even if the immigrant himself is not eligible because of legal status (illegals are barred from using most programs) or length of residence in the country (one of the conditions of welfare reform), immigrant families can still receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, whose welfare eligibility is the same as any other native-born American.
Viva la Anchor baby!!!
Not only do immigrants use welfare programs at higher rates than natives, their use of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is also substantially higher than that of natives. With an annual cost of $32 billion, the EITC is the nation’s largest means-tested cash assistance program for workers with low incomes. Persons receiving the EITC pay no federal income tax and instead receive cash assistance from the government based on their earnings and family size.
Question. If the above is true, and it apparently is, the data is derived from statistics, so it is pure fact, then who is going to pay for the welfare when immigrants become the vast majority, and the natives here, can no longer keep up? I mean we only have so much money we can give to them, only so much a native person can be taxed, to contribute to the welfare of the immigrants.
Ok, so maybe the server couldnt accept such a long reply. Sorry about the length, but in order to properly address this, it seems I have to cut and paste what i am talking about, elsewise leave the narration to dam, and we all know she will skim over these items I am pointing out, and just say things like “maybe we need a few policy changes” and there are “positives and negatives”. Obviously the negatives are very detrimental to the well being of this nation!
Vet4life. I have posted every single comment you have written. I will continue to post them as long as we have respectful discussions.
See above. I may not agree with you, but I read your comments and I share them with others. I don’t answer every detail of your posts because they are, quite frankly, just too long. I DO undersand where you are coming from. Let me say that again. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE FRUSTRATED WITH PAYING TAXES ON ILLEGALS AND WITH WASTEFUL SPENDING. I–and probably every other American-relates with you. But this post was originally about minorities in America, NOT illegals.
I understand what you are saying, Vet4life. So let’s switch the topic of discussion to talk about ILLEGAL immigration. I agree with. On all points. We are wasting tax payer money (though we do, we must admit, also benefit from the cheap labor). Overall, however, I agree that we do need to find a better way to prevent people from illegally entering this country. Are we on the same page now?
The original topic, however, was that minority populations aren’t so minor. From your persepctive, you see that as a result of illegal immigrants. From my perspective, I see this as a result of legal immigrants.
Vet4life:
*sigh*
LOL. Ironically, I just found your long posts in the spam section of the comments….Don’t know how that happens, but here they are.
I agree with you as well dam, Immigration is how this country was made the way it is today. Illegal immigration, is never going to do anything good, because a larger % of illegals are what I term as “undesirables”. Criminals, drug runners, transport coyotes, and anyone else who wouldn’t qualify “fairly” and “legally”.
I think that if all people are equal, then all people have a right to there own soverighnity, meaning If your a black man, raised in a black culture, or a mexican man raised in a mexican culture, I wouldn’t want to “change” ( and probably would be unsuccessful anyway) your identity, or rob you of your heritage and culture. I also wouldn’t want you doing that to me, and no thanks, I do not care to “exchange” my culture for someone elses. I am perfectly happy with my own identitiy. The reason that many people get in such a uproar about illegals, as well as legal immigrants, is because some tend to try to “push there culture down our throats”, meaning see, I am here, i am now in your country, there are many more coming, now YOU HAVE TO BE JUST LIKE US, OR AT LEAST A COMPOSITE OF US. Whooooa buddy. We dont “have to do nothing.. My biggest gripe is that If I wanna be who I am, and if I wanna be surrounded with others like myself, and from my own culture, then I should be able to do that in my own country. What happens, when you have widescale immigration, is a saturation of the area ( as in Finney KS) with people from other cultures. That in and of itself isn’t a issue, it only becomes a issue when they want me to speak THEIR LANGUAGE… Hmmmm EXCUSE me? This is not Mexico, this is not Kenya, This is America, and the official language is English. Comprende’ amigo? Many traditional white people take it as a insult, when someone comes to there country, and will not learn the language. I can see why. If I were to move to france I would be speaking the french language as if I were from france, as a sign of respect, or at least attempt to learn it, if that is where my home would be! (parler la langue française comme si j’étais la France, comme signe de respect, ou essayez au moins de l’apprendre, si c’est où ma maison serait !)
Yes and a new life is a great thing. I have nothing against AMerica offering that, but not at the detriment of America. If we waste taxpayer money, its wrong, if we have increased crime from immigration, then we need to screen much better, or cut down the flow of immigrants. If we can no longer support a population ( it continues to grow at a alarming rate) then we need to say sorry elevator only holds 12, and there are 15 on here now.. no more.
Thats what I was saying.
As for being white,I am 1/2.. the other half Chippewa, were almost wiped out in the last immigration influx.
“Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”
Yes, Vet4life, I do understand–and I agree. Parts of Mexico have serious drug and violence problems. The police are corrupt. We don’t want that here. I think we agree on many points. I am fiscally conservative (as it sounds like you are), and I DON’T want to pay for people who don’t participate and who don’t contribute. We agree there, too.
Yes, I understand that you don’t want to be forced to learn another culture (though you appreciate everyone keeping their own). You want people who come here to adopt our American culture. That is reasonable. I think I am approaching it from a mother’s perspective–I see how our world has “flattened out” and I want my kids to be able to prepared (i.e. they need to learn Chinese!). Also, speaking other languages IS good for a child’s brain! It also will help my kids get jobs one day. And, I want my kids just to learn and understand other cultures, so they will not be prejudiced. But, these are separate issues from your points.
The funny thing is, if you travel overseas, it doesn’t matter what color you are or where your ancestors come from–we’re all American.
Peace, Debbie.
In Russian:
Ваши дети могут выучить поговорить китайца. I don’ t хочет вас думать что я настолько шальн что я себя не знаю другие языки. Я знаю французское, китайское, Japenese, русского, и испанский язык. Я выучил их потому что я хотел к. Когда персона принуждается, она после этого что вы найдете сопротивление. Не принудьте ваших детей выучить китайца, позвольте любопытству препятствовать им выучить на там имейте
Translation from Russian to English:
Your children can learn to speak Chinese. I don’t want you to think that I am so crazy that I do not know other languages myself. I know French, Chinese, Japenese, Russian, and Spanish. I learned them because I wanted to. When a person is forced, it is then that you will find resistance. Do not force your children to learn chinese, allow curiosity to let them learn on there own
God Bless
Ahh. Very cool, Vet4life. How did you learn so many languages? My older son in particular has asked me over and over again about learning both Chinese and Italian. I think I have killed his interest because I keep telling him, I’ll find a class for him to take. There are no course offerings for middle-schoolers, except for Spanish–and that is a joke at his school. I could get him into a community college, but it is hard finding time…Any suggestions for learning how to actually speak a language? (Short of living in that country!)
My grandparents are from Mexico. I am 3/4 Mexican, 1/4 white and according the the census I am counted as the Hispanic group.
My parents were first generation Americans. Yes, born on American soil from illegal parents. They all went to college and have spot free criminal records – including my grandparents, and all my uncles, and all my aunts, cousins, second cousins and the rest of my family tree.
They never were on welfare. They paid taxes. They worked in the fields day and night. My grandparents came here with the dream that their futures will be full of success and we pulled through for them.
MANY of my friends are second generation Americans as well and our families have been successful as well. I honestly think that the media is making a frenzy out of a few bad apples.
*side note* My grandmother learned English from doing crossword puzzles.
Oh and yes – some of the first gens in my family are high ranking officials in the military. Give people a chance and they will contribute.
Piratepen, I hear what you are saying. Very awesome that your family did all that. Remained clean, were not a burden to this country and made contributions.
BUT
You cannot say that all immigrants contribute. You cannot say that there are “only a few” bad apples, there are many more than a “few”. You cannot say all immigrants are “bad” either or even most are “bad”, just as you cannot say there are not quite a few that are “good”. I think what anyone that has a problem with immigration is referring to, is NOT immigrants that are like your family. Its the ones with the crappy attitudes, “We are going to take you over, and you cant do anything about it” attitudes. That in and of itself is a taunt. Go to any nation and taunt the inhabitants and see if they like you. So, It seems that we have some that contribute, some that are blood suckers, and some that dont contribute and yet dont do harm.
Just food for thought.